Toby's cortina now a 12.58 car !

[jewels]

During the last weekends in October at santa pod

toby further improved on his last 12 second pass

conditions were perfect and he managed

2 runs into the 12.6 s

can this pre cross flow car make further improvements??

i bet toby has a few things up his sleeve yet....

[Dr Danger]

That's insane... Is that on giggle gas or something?

[jewels]

NO GAS
NO lightning of the car whats so ever !

BTW:
Toby said hes sorry he never caught up with you at the UK nationals

[geoff]

real good stuff
made me take notice

[Dr Danger]

I wonder how long it lasts between rebuilds?

I was lurking around his car for ages too in the hope of chatting to him. Nevermind, next time. Sounds like a good bloke.

Geffro, I'm giving you a deadline. I expect the 2 door to be cutting skidslike Toby's, WITH the precrossflow, in less than 3 months. :)

[jewels]

I wonder how long it lasts between rebuilds?

that i dont know al but i think its very solid engine it must be to be able to take the continuing punishment




Geffro, I'm giving you a deadline. I expect the 2 door to be cutting skidslike Toby's, WITH the precrossflow, in less than 3 months. :)

i dont think that deadline is achievable... LOL and a pre-crossflow is not on the planning for the future...

[geoff]

your dreaming again
al ive got diffrent
plans no hot 1500
on my shift

[jewels]

toby has a new PB :)

171 flywheel HP

also did some further work to his cylinder head and a freshen up

video HERE (http://www.edturners.tv/videos/britclassics/csf2008_tobystina.html)

12.58 at 103.24 mph !

[Dr Danger]

Hmmm, yes... Well. It certainly has a cam in it doesn't it!

[jewels]

yep :) very nice

those gear changes well what can i say magnificent !

im not sure but sounds like a few revs ther on the line

bet the old corty tach had been pegged out long ago :)

[Toby]

Hmmm, yes... Well. It certainly has a cam in it doesn't it!

Hello from England!! Great Web site. :thumbsup:

Just a mild one! It actually sounds perfectly tame with the exhaust system on. It just doesn't like the open header at tick over, but it frees up a few rev's later on as Jewels has noticed....

And with regards to the rebuilds - it gets thrashed all the time and has been as good as gold (ish! lol) Probably done a (very) hard 1000 miles and eaten a few gear boxes in the process. The gearbox seems to be sorted (for the moment) now too, which is a relief!!!!

[jewels]

toby welcome :)

and my congrats once again :)

what has been the general words around 'other areas' since your latest PB ?

how do you get such nice gear changes? :) whats the secret?

i understand if you want to keep these things to yourself BTW

but i had to ask LOL

[Dr Danger]

Ditto. I'd be pretty keen to (just for curiosity sake more than anything) know more about the whole shebang.

It's a really stunning car in the flesh too. Lots of attention to detail. Dry cell battery for example...

I was expecting something really extreme under the hood but it was just a nice neat precrossflow looking thing.

Okay, so what's stopping you running a bigger cam then? Rocker ratios or something? (I know squat about dinosaurs).

Good stuff! :)

[Toby]

Thanks for the kind words. There are no secrets to the gear shifting, it has dog selection not syncro's which means it will select the next gear as fast as you can!! As I say on the edturners.tv video it's all home made. It is a pleasure to drive and never misses. I took it appart at the end of the season and put some hard weld on some of the dented dogs. It went back together like new.

The dry cell battery is actually a gel filled battery which was done for weight without compromise - it puts out a full wack of power. It is a varley red top 15 and starts the car through it's powerfull geared starter. The whole lot is a package, it all pulls together.

The cam is pretty long duration, but with the right compression, (12.3:1) (Jewels you're out of date - sorry) the engine retains some bottom end drivability. The only thing that stops me going up a cam is finding the whole package that works again, also the wilder the cam the shorter the re-build time cos of the lobe pressure over the nose of the cam - although now you mention it......lol!

Thanks again for the kind words and interest.

[Toby]

I've just had a thought - I don't know if you guys get retro ford magazine out there, but there is a group thrash coming up where my car ran 0-60 in 4.8 on road tyres on concrete and my 1/4 mile time was over a second slower, I suspect this means it pulls a sub 4 second 0-60 at Pod, which isn't bad for a 42 year old log!!

[mark won]

toby, love the car mate, made me decide to go the pre crossflow route with my track day mk1, a question though if you dont mind, your car runs a 1600 block yes?

[mark won]

we do get retro & clasic ford out here, and im sure all of the guys buy it, as i do!

[Toby]

admin :edit Toby im sorry there was a REAL stuff up by me when posting and i have stuffed your post accidently

this is all i have left from your post can you re- post please? it was along the line of camshaft duration notching and the block you use to fit the bore and stroke in 83.5 mm and ??? this is some of it below
im real sorry :(

The advantage over the crossflow block is that you can get the bore without liners on the right block.

The cam is pretty long duration, but with the right compression, (12.3:1) (Jewels you're out of date - sorry) the engine retains some bottom end drivability.

All a squeeze which I would not recommend for the weak hearted! The advantage over the crossflow block is that you can get the bore without liners on the right block.

[jewels]

The cam is pretty long duration, but with the right compression, (12.3:1) (Jewels you're out of date - sorry) the engine retains some bottom end drivability.

toby thanx will fix that :)

[jewels]

The advantage over the crossflow block is that you can get the bore without liners on the right block.

this is why some casting numbers are more sought after than others

some can take over boring others cant....

if you can find these nowadays

[garyeanderson]

Hi Toby
I guess my only question is, how in the world do the Cam lobes miss the big end of the connecting rods, maybe that should read how do the big end bolts miss the camshaft. I have read your posts over on OSF. I read some where that the displacement is near 1925cc (from Jewels drag page), with the 85.4 bore a stroke of 84mm is necessary for a 1925cc. Unless you are running Honda sized (45mm) rod journals and the corresponding rods and small big end bolts I don't know what magic you are using.
Gary

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/russ105e/Northweald07066.jpg
Photo is Linked from Russ105e over on the OSF web site, Great work on your part.

[Toby]

No magic in the Lobe situation as the lobes are each side of the conrods. The notch (reduced diameter) of the cam in four places is a simple as it is! The con rod ends are standard size, but narrow journal, as they're lighter and put less oil drag on the bearings so freeing up a gee gee or two! It is actually the top shoulder of the rods that get close to the cam and not the bolts, it is moving away from the cam at that point in the cranks rotation.

Jewels - that's fine you carry on and mess up my posts lol!! Sorry can't remember what it said either!!

The casting numbers are a bit of a red herring to the blocks capability, the only way to establish the blocks worth is to carefully measure it.

The end core plug comes out at the back of the block, the side plugs come out and you can measure to the front through the water pump hole. I also ground away some old vernier caplipers I had so I could put them down from the top inside the water jackets and measure at 45 degrees too. I was told to try not to go less than 0.085" in bore wall thickness.

[jewels]

toby, from the pictures it looks like you have 'hi ported' the head with some extra added

on a fabricated manifold...maybe

[Dr Danger]

Yeh, those casting numbers (the 'T' number?) really stirs up controversy when people mention. Some swear by it, others think it's absolute rubbish. Both camps seem to be educated on the matter too. I think that after 40 or 45 years the condition of the block, is probably more to do with the amount of anticorrosion treatment it has had over the years and so on...

But sonic testing, measuring and x-raying will get to the bottom of things pretty quickly.

[Toby]

toby, from the pictures it looks like you have 'hi ported' the head with some extra added

on a fabricated manifold...maybe

Although I believe they are available and no doubt flow better, I only have a "standard" casting - neither of my heads (163 bhp and 171) are anything special in the casting. - The 171 did need welding though as I hit water during porting.

The manifold is stock too except a lot of porting and some cooling fins added to try to control the inlet charge temperature in the quest to run lots of compression and do my best to avoid detting.

Dr Danger - you're probably right about the corrosion of the blocks, I was lucky, I think someone had found mine was a goodie and kept it in their loft for years.

[jewels]

oh ok toby :)
it just looked liked ther were some 'bulges' just near where the manifold bolted on

near the head bolts

thanx for straightning me out

regardless of anything toby no matter what your competitors or anyone says

its still a remarkable achievement what you have done !

love it :D

[Toby]

oh ok toby :)
it just looked liked ther were some 'bulges' just near where the manifold bolted on

near the head bolts

love it :D

Thanks Jewels - your right about the bulges but they are standard.

I'll keep you posted on any improvements......

[jewels]

toby what events are coming up in the UK for small fords?
what ones will you be involved with?

i think its a busy time mid year over there isnt ?

[Toby]

toby what events are coming up in the UK for small fords?
what ones will you be involved with?

i think its a busy time mid year over there isnt ?

Yeah, the sun's out, and everyone is in "car mode". It's a static car show today called "Bromley Pagent" which usually gets them out...but it's fathers day, and TBH I'm not an enormous fan of looking at the best polish - I love clean cars, but they must be clean and spanked!!

Classic Ford day has just been, and I won my class again this year.

I have got an engine "issue" at the moment - so may take the opportunity to get the paint looked at. It still looks lovely, having been painted for 5 years or so, but my garage is so damp it got some micro-blistering, which I would like to get sorted.

There is Retro Cars day at pod on the 5th July, Ultimate street car day 1st weekend in August - which is a bit "Max Power" (if you know what I mean) big turbos, bass ball caps on backwards, stereo sound off, etc, but it's still nice to go and show the youngsters how the old is better than the new!!

The OSF (Old Skool Ford) lot, have arranged a drag challenge throughout the year, but I tend to not get very involved, to do well you need to be relatively new to the sport because of a handicap system they run you need to make every event, AND make big improvements in your times throughout the year, I am very busy and I think I am nearly at my limit - not that I only drag race to win - or I would fit a turbo - hey Jewels ;-)!!

For me though, the best event of the year is the Brighton Speed trials. It is run along the coast road of Brighton sea front. The event has been going for over 100 years. It really has got the feel of "bring what you've built". There are cars ranging from the 1940's to brand new Ferraris. The crowd is usually huge and the diversity and quality of the machinery is fantastic. There are hill-climb cars, with 8 second passes, motorbikes with nitrous, just a big bunch of like minded, petrol headed loons, racing on a highway, which they close for the day. It's not the track to run your best time at as it is just ordinary tarmac, but the day makes it!!

Then the last event, usually the one that is best for the times, is the Santa Pod night race in November - cold, dry air being drawn into the engine, usually a cold sunny day, a well prepared track. I have bettered my personal bests 2 years in a row at this event and am hoping to again this year.

[RodneyOh]

Toby,

your car is an absolute weapon. Congrats on a beautiful peice of auto history.

hope to hear more installments.

[jewels]

so santa pod in november maybe you next race outing toby?

oh and toby i think its the go now to have you bas ball cap on 'sideways' LOL :D

[Toby]

so santa pod in november maybe you next race outing toby?

oh and toby i think its the go now to have you bas ball cap on 'sideways' LOL http://www.cortina-mk1classifieds.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif

I hope not, I hope I can sneak a few in before then, but they're the big ones!

LOL Ref base ball caps - but I'm pushing the lightweight Kevlar Pants as the "new black"!!

How big is the drag race scene over there?

And thanks RodneyOh! You are clearly a man with impecable taste! :D

[jewels]

the drag scene here is real big here Streeters etc we have a local 1/8th track and there are another 3 or 4 of them scattered around in our state

2 main 1/4 mile tracks all within 90 minutes from where i live

street meets we love to watch seeing cars that arnt purpose built that are

driven on the street

dont get me wrong still love to watch competition its just that if you are building a car

that has to only comply to race rules where you dont have to compromise is not the

same

now i wanna get back out there in the 4 door... :)

[Dr Danger]

It's been too long Jewels. I got some nice tires for you... :)

[jewels]

it has al ...
but other projects are taking priority atm

[Toby]

Dr Danger has tyres for you then Jewels - a new one to try? Could shave a bit off the clock?

So what's the best meet of the year in you guys eyes then?http://www.cortina-mk1classifieds.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

[RodneyOh]

Do we actually have anything up near the QLD boarder.

I know from the long weekend we held the Wintersun

3 cars got pinched......

i think one was a GTHO.

I wanna go to some meets around here, don't feel like hitting Vic.

[jewels]

toby,
the slicks that dr danger has are for the new project
i still have drag radials and slicks for the 4 door bit really need a new set of drag radials before i go racing again in that car
most of the event we like to go to are in february there is a lot on for small fords and cars in general not competition but big turnouts of cars and ppl

we have no competition in drags thats specifically for small fords etc here way to many V8s so most of the fod drag meets are V8s

rodney, no im sorry i dont know of any big turnout up your way for small fords but there must be something one of the clubs organizes
have you contacted any of them in QLD ?
geez thats bad if a HO got pinched ! big payout by the insurance company on that one...

[Toby]

So what's the new project? Is it on here?

[a1topdog]

Toby - a bit off topic , as you are from Gatwick have you ever used the dyno at SPC (http://www.sussexperformancecars.co.uk/) in Horsham? If so whats you experiance with the guys there? Is not a loaded question - they just happen to also be local to me.

[Toby]

Toby - a bit off topic , as you are from Gatwick have you ever used the dyno at SPC (http://www.sussexperformancecars.co.uk/) in Horsham? If so whats you experiance with the guys there? Is not a loaded question - they just happen to also be local to me.

I have never used them although I know they're enthusiasts and have a clever man called Ike there.

They're the company who are making the reasonably priced steel rods and cranks for the cross flow - they are also talking about casting a thick wall block. I can't tell you any more than that I'm afraid - give them a call and sound them out.....what are you after having done? Carbs, ignition set up? What you got?http://www.cortina-mk1classifieds.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

You could PM Ben Morley on OSF - he has had dealings with them.

[jewels]

So what's the new project? Is it on here?

yes toby
have a bit of a read HERE (http://www.cortina-mk1classifieds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=274) :)

[Toby]

yes toby
have a bit of a read HERE (http://www.cortina-mk1classifieds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=274) :)

And very nice too!! http://www.cortina-mk1classifieds.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

Have you got a target completion date? And what about a target ET?

[jewels]

end of the year but dont expect the car to have paint or trim done

by then

its not being built as a strip only car as there is plenty of those cortinas already around running with a lot more HP

this will be conservative in that department... :)

but of course we will be given it some runs for sure

as for ET...i dunno it will be fun no matter

is more to say well we have done it
if ya get me :)

[Toby]

end of the year but dont expect the car to have paint or trim done by then


Slackers!! http://www.cortina-mk1classifieds.com/forum/images/icons/icon12.gif

It will be an awesome rumble, as you say will be an achievement, http://www.cortina-mk1classifieds.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

AND will probably do the numbers too! http://www.cortina-mk1classifieds.com/forum/images/icons/icon6.gif

[Toby]

Sorry to not been in touch for a while :handshake

Last seasons news....

I ran a 13.35 at Brighton with, un-known to me at the time, a blocked exhaust....this unfortunately came to light after Brighton Speed Trials (where I had hoped to improve on my 13.19 and scrape a 12.9999999999999999http://www.cortina-mk1classifieds.com/forum/images/icons/icon7.gif) at a Dyno Shootout, where removing my exhaust released 40hp! The results are in Classic Ford magazine this month although the numbers are not strictly accurate.....but it has made me realise why my terminal speed was way down at the trials.

Santa Pod 2008.....

I managed to run another 12.5 at the last run out of the season (12.59) but having just rebuilt my engine due to a cam follower / valve train issue, I then (next time out) managed to break every gear in my home made gearbox. I actually think one gear let go but the splintering teeth spitting into the other gears did them no favours! :oops

I was pleased to have backed up my 12.5 but I also had mixture or ignition timing issue on this day too as I melted number 4 spark plug on the 12.59 run - just prior to my final run with the gearbox "issue".

I am now contemplating more gears / ratios and that will keep me very quiet for a little while!!

Who say's green cars are unlucky?!!!

[jewels]

thanx for the update toby

yes this is what our dyno sessions can support also

even the best designed exhaust system will still be restrictive to some degree

hey i bet your eyes lit up when you seen that increase in HP

any video or dyno sheets from that day you could share ?

[Toby]

thanx for the update toby

yes this is what our dyno sessions can support also

even the best designed exhaust system will still be restrictive to some degree

hey i bet your eyes lit up when you seen that increase in HP

any video or dyno sheets from that day you could share ?

It was more a case of relief when the HP turned up! The day had some top crossflows there and mine was last on with me hoping for a good result. The rolling road was only just installed so the computer wasn't rigged up to plot the graphs so the dials on the Sun Rollers were videoed and at a later date Aaron from HT's manually went through the video footage of the dials and created graphs from that. I think the info got a little lost in translation unfortunately but I'm not convinced by any rolling road numbers anyway. My horse power has varied from 163 to over 200 on various rollers :headscratch so I'd rather watch the clock as that seems most consistant to show improvements.

I have since had a new system made since, but because of the frost / salt on our lovely roads I am reluctant to go back untill it drys up a bit. I hope it will be better as you can imagine! http://www.cortina-mk1classifieds.com/forum/images/icons/icon7.gif

I'd like to run a 12 on street rubber with the exhaust on - I'd also love to run a 12 at Brighton Speed Trails - I predict it will be very close but isn't that always the way with drag racing though - It'll probably run a 13.0000001

[Dr Danger]

Bit of rust will lighten the car Toby... ;)

[R1.Andy]

i aint seen this car yet in the flesh:drool
but a couple of lads said when he left a sunday meet from a local pub..it sounded like a formula one car as is dissapeared...
i wanna be toby's best friend..in the hope mine shifts like his

[Toby]

Bit of rust will lighten the car Toby... ;)

:lol

Yeah but I haven't got time to rebuild the whole car (again) with all the bits around it needing my full attention! http://www.cortina-mk1classifieds.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Toby]

i aint seen this car yet in the flesh:drool
but a couple of lads said when he left a sunday meet from a local pub..it sounded like a formula one car as is dissapeared...
i wanna be toby's best friend..in the hope mine shifts like his

All cortina owners are best friends (not Mk2 owners though hey Dr D! http://www.cortina-mk1classifieds.com/forum/images/icons/icon12.gif)

I am equally keen to see your car too Andy http://www.cortina-mk1classifieds.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif - If it would just stop wintering!

[Dr Danger]

All cortina owners are best friends (not Mk2 owners though hey Dr D! http://www.cortina-mk1classifieds.com/forum/images/icons/icon12.gif


100% correct. :stir

[Toby]

100% correct. :stir

:D:D:D allow me to join you - why does everyone have escorts? :stir

[Dr Danger]

Because they are sheep.:unsure

[Roger Miller]

Snippet.

[Toby]

Snippet.

Don't believe everthing you read :thumbs.....but.....

Richard Boultons car SCREAMED!! 9,000 rpm!! Fantastic!!

There is a serious all steel 1800cc crossflow owned by a Mr "Bunman" which is coming to the UK from Gurnsey to go on the HT rollers. It will be interesting to see the results from that engine.

I expect great things from it and am hoping to meet up with him there soon (ish)

[jewels]

that feature in classic ford was a a very good read

very interesting